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You are all wasting your time and probably emboldening the corporate greed machines you are protesting against. The fact that you are willing to stay in a park and protest in peaceful means within the limits of the law just assures the people you are competing against that you are of no danger to them whatsoever. Every day is a demonstration to them that you are unwilling to take anything from them, only willing to cry about it. The fact of the matter is, until these protests get violent and wall street guys are beaten on the way to work, they have nothing to lose. I understand that no one wants to be the first to do it because if no one follows you have lost everything for nothing. The first people to resort to violence will probably lose everything regardless of the outcome but they might inspire others to do the same.
If you have no job then you can't refuse to do it, so thats poitnless. The people who agree with you but do have jobs have families to feed and that will always trump righteous vigilance. So if your group has any power at all its that you have enough people to physically stand up to law enforcement officials that would suppress you. If you succeed in doing that and the national guard gets involved then you have a line drawn in the sand and people have to start picking sides. Then things should get interesting.
I am not saying i condone violence because I don't, but at this point, if you people arent going to raise the stakes and give these people something to fear, leave the parks and go home to your cardboard box. You can peacefully dissent all by yourself while wrapped in the comfort of your own wall street journal blankets.
This shit is splattered all over history and one thing remains consistent. Till blood is shed, nothing changes.
For the record. Violence in Oakland doesnt count. Violence in Oakland isnt a protest...its just a tuesday.
All they need to do is demonstrate that the fledgling Web movement (moveon.org, etc) is underpinned by some substantial non-Web coalition, where the means of producing dissent are not utterly contingent upon the modes of production by which capitalism augments itself (The Internet, the Web, telecommunications, etc). The Internet, in the end, will hash out the winners and the losers.
Democracy is over. Analysis of it amounts to nothing more than idle ruminations on postcolonialism. The Internet is the kind of social system where anarchy can conceivably be the basic structure by which means of production and modes of communication work harmoniously. "The Internet" should be a competing form of government; or let's say the principles and normative aspects of Internet relationships (assuming accurate descriptive models of subsumed relationships like B2B, interpersonal, etc) should define the basic structure of political thinking.
nerdfiles: All they need to do is demonstrate that the fledgling Web movement (moveon.org, etc) is underpinned by some substantial non-Web coalition, where the means of producing dissent are not utterly contingent upon the modes of production by which capitalism augments itself (The Internet, the Web, telecommunications, etc). The Internet, in the end, will hash out the winners and the losers. Democracy is over. Analysis of it amounts to nothing more than idle ruminations on postcolonialism. The Internet is the kind of social system where anarchy can conceivably be the basic structure by which means of production and modes of communication work harmoniously. "The Internet" should be a competing form of government; or let's say the principles and normative aspects of Internet relationships (assuming accurate descriptive models of subsumed relationships like B2B, interpersonal, etc) should define the basic structure of political thinking.
i get what your saying and i agree but thats like saying "lets fight all wars as paintball tournements and then the loser agrees to the terms of the winner. remember robojocks where wars were fought my arena mech battles?
anyways no...when the lines are this divided, violence will be the only form of communication that either side respects.
while i support the sentiment being expressed throughout the occupy movements, i don't see any sense in just occupying a space. like you said, it gives the impression that they're a gathering of whiners.
i also disagree with the stupid gimmicks such as the 'human microphone' and that finger wiggling bullshit. most of all, i can't stand the 'we are the leaderless movement' idea. none of the above will have you taken seriously. in fact, they make you seem obnoxious and therefore easy to dislike.
what the occupy movement needed to do several weeks ago was organize in a respectable manner. assign some people as representatives by committee and start collecting money so that your political ambitions can be heard. somewhat counter-intuitive to what they stand for, i know... but also the only way to get things done within the system. if you want to operate outside of the system, get violent as advocated and endorsed by spazdaq.
also: what the political left needed was an equivalent to the tea party. what they got has been completely underwhelming.
i know the tea party had an easy time merging into the republican party, and i know it would be much harder for occupy to get that same sort of influence within the democrats, but they needed to get some highly respected people from the left to take them seriously, and they have so far failed to do that.
